is there a difference?
can white people be considered members of Nation of Islam
can white people be considered members of Nation of Islam
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Re: Nation of islam vs conventional Islam
Mon, January 8, 2007 - 1:32 PMI am not a member of the Nation, nor have I ever been one. I have had friends years ago who were. At that time no white people could join. I do not know if that is still the case. I do remember the schism that occured when El Hajj Malik Shabazz (Malcolm X) made the Hajj and proclaimed the Kalima, thus joining the World Community of Muslims. Shabazz then renounced the racially oriented philosophy of the Nation and established an independent Mosque.
Now the concept of "Conventional Islam", is in my understanding like saying "Conventional Christianity or Judaism, or Mormonism" etc. The adherent of various denomination within a given religion often consider their denomination to be the "only true" version of that faith. There are fundamentalist, reformers, and orthodox in all faiths so what you you mean by "Conventional Islam"?
Also I am curious and would appreciate knowing, why a white person would want to join the Nation of Islam as opposed to any of the other denominations; which all have older traditions, lineages, and multiracial adherents. -
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 2:31 PM<I am curious and would appreceaye knowing, why a white person would want to join NOI as opposed to other denominations taht are multicultural?>
simple, greater understanding.
I do have to be honest ,I don't WANT to become A muslim, a jew , or a christian. I think Muslims and Jews are generaly a little more interesting to talk to in my experience. That being said, I think that all intelligent and passionate people can learn from each other and with greater understanding of one another we can live in harmony with each other. -
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Re: Nation of islam vs conventional Islam
Mon, January 8, 2007 - 6:27 PMI do laud your desire and intention. I would wonder if your desire is to know Muslims and Islam better and achieve greater understanding of them; or the constituency of the NOI? I am in ongoing relationships with a number of Muslims, of other denominations but not NOI. I am open to their right to exercise their beliefs in any fashion, but it seems that each time I have tried to reach out to them, in friendship their Orthodoxy (within their belief system, as opposed to Islam) has made my perception of the validity of all faiths, an obstacle. If you do encounter any members of NOI who are open to "open mindedness" I would be delighted to meet them. -
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Thu, February 1, 2007 - 5:30 PMI know a few members on of the NOI and I think they would be willing to share their understanding and beliefs. In fact I have been in discussion with a couple of them regarding Elijah Muhammad being a messenger sent for the Black people. If you would like to join the discussion let me know. -
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Tue, February 6, 2007 - 12:44 PMGood discussion. I think that any attempt by a person not of African decent to join the NOI would be met with apprehension. This has not prevented the Nation from having working relationship with other groups. This can be demonstrated through the friendships that Min. Farrakhan has with several christian leaders black and white as well as several rabis. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 6:39 AMI agree with this post. Whereas I am not a member of the NOI, I am a member of the NGE. Part of the NGE's "doctorine" if you want to call it that, is to learn lessons that were brought over by the The Father. Who was originally a member of the NOI. These are lessons that Elijah Muhammed had to learn. Let me tell you... they are not "White folks friendly". So I'm thinking..... Maybe you don't want to try to join. Farrakhan is the current head of the NOI and he is not "White folks friendly" either. Something to think about....
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Re: Nation of islam vs conventional Islam
Sun, April 13, 2008 - 2:06 PMI just want to weigh in with regards to this thread. I can remember being raised in the Missionary Baptist church in the Deep South. To us then Christianity was religion with the big R. I knew of the Jews as a people but had no familiarity with their religious traditions. The Nation of Islam was familiar to me as a psychological response to the racist and hegemonic society in which I lived. In my view religious practices are only relevant to people if they have a profound connection to the life that people live. As I have grown older, I have lost a need for connection with all formal religious practices, having gone through a period when I fellowshipped with people of a variety of faiths. . I see no need to connect myself to any religion. There was a time when , in my early twenties I was tempted to change my name to a Muslim name and become a pseudo-Muslim and learn to speak Arabic. However, that made just as much sense as me having a British name (which I do) , speaking English as my first language, and defining myself as a Christian. So, I prefer to continue my ambiguous identity as an Agnostic African American which is sure to evolve to something else in my lifetime.
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Re: Nation of islam vs conventional Islam
Fri, February 2, 2007 - 6:00 PMNope, I don't think so. The NOI was started for the upliftment of black people. They even separated them selves World community of Muslims. This is one of the reasons why they where so upset with Malcolm for joining them. The NOI doesn't follow all of the same rules as the World. This is what I've learned from reading and listening to interviews. -
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Re: Nation of islam vs conventional Islam
Wed, February 13, 2008 - 7:03 AMnoi is a religion for black people made by black people which has little affiliation with true islam - the teachings of noi are shirk (the one sin allah swt will never forgive). why a white person would want to join puzzles me - it would be like oj simpson joining the kkk. im muslim by the way - as salaamu' alaikum -
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Wed, February 13, 2008 - 6:37 PMi appreciate the fellowship, but i avoid assigning myself wholesale to any one religion, since most of them seem to promote superiority complexes and separatism...so yeah, it's odd to imagine that anyone 'white' would seek to know more about a religious ordinance that deems them unworthy...but then again, i've been puzzled by the widespread popularity of christianity among 'black' americans for years!
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Re: Nation of islam vs conventional Islam
Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:02 AMAs Salaamu Alaikum Fahtima,
I was just looking at your statement "the teachings of noi are shirk (the one sin allah swt will never forgive)". How did you come to this conclusion or rational.
Thanks
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Re: Nation of islam vs conventional Islam
Wed, March 12, 2008 - 4:21 PMThere is a huge difference between the nation of Islam and conventional Islam. The nation of islam is a separatist black-supremacy group and conventional islam is a religion uniting all people. white people joining the national of islam is only slightly more stupid than black people joining the nation of islam.
NOI also raises a man over God in importance and this is fundamentally un-islamic. Islam is very egalitarian, all men are equal and no better or worst than each other 'except in religious practice' as it says in the Quran. meaning not that muslims are better than other people either, it means that moral people are better in the eyes of God than immoral people.
I'm Black and Muslim by the way. asalam alaikum -
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Re: Nation of islam vs conventional Islam
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 4:34 AMAssalamu aliakum Azizah, and well said.
There is no 'conventional' Islam, there is only Islam, and that's it. The ''Nation of (so called) Islam'' has a racialist agenda, and their teachings such as Allah's manifestation in human form, as if God Almighty could ever be concieved of as being so impossibly crude, are purely heretical, and as such, has nothing to at all to do with Islamic principles. To refer to the cult as 'Islam', is very offensive.
The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, on matters of race said:
''An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab - except by piety, and good actions.''.
He also said:
"Allah is to be praised and thanked for ridding us of the vices and pride of the days of ignorance. O People! Note that all mankind are divided in two categories only: the pious and God-fearing who are esteemable in Allah's reckoning, and the transgressors and hard-hearted, who are lowly and contemptible in the eyes of Allah."
In the Holy Quran we are informed:
"And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations In your languages and your colours; verily in that are signs for those who know." (30:22)
"O Mankind! Most certainly, it is We (God almighty) who have created you all from a single (pair) Of a male and a female, And it is we who have made you into nations and tribes, That ye may recognise each other (Not that ye may despise each other). Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you." (49:13)
From Malcolm X:
"Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and the overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practised by people of all colours and races here in this ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammed, and all the other prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colours."
Ameen.
Peace be upon us all.
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