Should African American call themselves African American?

topic posted Wed, October 3, 2007 - 11:14 AM by  Nuru
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Check this vid out and tell me your thoughts.

www.youtube.com/watch

I'm bit offened. Because I feel like he is totally ignorant of what's going on with AA here in USA. IT'S THE SAME THING THATS GOING ON IN SOUTH AFRICA. Dummy!

We insist on seeing each other in a different light, when the truth is they perfected oppression on the AA and then they took it to Africa. It take a human 15-25 thousand years to evolve. We have only been gone a few hundred and all of a sudden we are no longer related. Please.
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  • link didn't work :(
    • www.youtube.com/watch

      Here it is again.
      • I appreciate the fact that he is attempting have a dialogue about the issue. He is not stating that he is the expert, he is saying that this is what he perceives.

        I think we call ourselves African Americans because Children of African descent have never been fully accepted in american society. "African-Americans" did not receive the legal status of an American citizens until the 60's. I think there is another issue to consider...Maybe we are not Africans either. Based upon the information below Africa was named by Europeans. Your thoughts?


        Africa - Etymology
        The name Africa came into Western use through the Romans, who used the name Africa terra — "land of the Afri" (plural, or "Afer" singular) — for the northern part of the continent, as the province of Africa with its capital Carthage, corresponding to modern-day Tunisia.

        The Afri were a tribe — possibly Berber — who dwelt in North Africa in the Carthage area. The origin of Afer may be connected with Phoenician `afar, dust (also found in most other Semitic languages); some other etymologies that have been postulated for the ancient name 'Africa' that are much more debatable include:

        the Latin word aprica, meaning "sunny";
        the Greek word aphrike, meaning "without cold" (see also List of traditional Greek place names). The historian Leo Africanus (1495-1554) attributed the origin to the Greek word phrike (φρικε, meaning "cold and horror"), combined with the negating prefix a-, so meaning a land free of cold and horror. However, the change of sound from ph to f in Greek is datable to about the first century, so this is unlikely to be the origin.
        Egypt was considered part of Asia by the ancients, and first assigned to Africa by the geographer Ptolemy (85 - 165 AD), who accepted Alexandria as Prime Meridian and made the isthmus of Suez and the Red Sea the boundary between Asia and Africa. As Europeans came to understand the real extent of the continent, the idea of Africa expanded with their knowledge.
        www.experiencefestival.com/a/Af...82742
        • Yes, I did appreciate the attempt also. But after posting the video he failed to respond to any question submitted to him. I feel that if you are going to post a video like that for all the world to see, you should atleast be active enough to explain that you were just trying to start a dialogue on the issue and be active on the issue you presented so it does not look like you just post it for the Youtube ratings.

          Really it doesn't make a difference whether it is called Africa, Nubia or Kemet. We have only been gone for a few hundred years and yes there are differences in our culture now but there are still likeness. Also this is another one of our problems we are always allowing other people to name us. Now this is a another topic to be discussed.

          Even in nature there is a constant circle. When did we decide to break our circle and maybe this is why we are one of the few people in this world to have several different names. Negro, colored, black, Afro-American and African-American and I think I'm missing one. We didn't start calling ourselves African-American until the late 80's early 90's when the NAACP demand a change that reflected our ancestry.

          "However far the stream may flow it never forgets it's source" "unknown"
          • P.S. if a person comes from china is there a question when he calls him self Chinese American, same with Irish American or German American. Why is there a ? when we call ourselves African American?
            • that is a reat question.
              I think the only answer i would have to that is that we are naming ourselves after an entire continent while these other are more country specific. Then again, how many of us have any idea where our Africian ancestors came from?
              • True, but we name our selves after an entire country because we have so many of that countries nations running through our veins. Once brought here we all the different nations brought here were intermingled to keep them from talking and escaping. So just because we can not pinpoint exactly what nation we are a part of. Your saying we should call our self African American. But we are still of African decent. Is that an argument. It's scientifically proven. I don't see people argue when white people call themselves European American.

                I can trace one great, great, great grandfather to the Congo in Africa, does that mean I have to call myself Congolese American when know I have other nations running through my veins. I must ignore that because I don't know what nations it is.
            • "P.S. if a person comes from china is there a question when he calls him self Chinese American, same with Irish American or German American. Why is there a ? when we call ourselves African American?"

              Based upon what I have seen if someone from Germany or Ireland migrates from their native land, they take pride in their American citizenship but if you ask them what they are they will quickly tell you they are Irish or German. Their great grandchildren will almost never hyphenate their identity, as the American social construct allows people of european descent to simply be "American". Chinese people seem to maintain their Chinese identity and there does not be a push in their community to demand a hyphenated identity. Come to think most of the Africans I know do not seek a hyphenated identity.

              I think we call ourselves African-Americans in an effort to validate our right to be equal members of this country. Until the late 60's black, negro, and colored indicated 3/5's of a human being. Even though "blacks" lived in america, they were not citizens.

              For me the hyphen between the words African and American is a stark reminder that true reconcilliation has not occured in this country. We are the only nation in the world where a white woman can have a black child but a black woman cannot have a white one.

              I hate labels and I pray that there will come a time where we will accept one another simply as human beings. It is clear that we still have a long way to go...
              • The three-fifths compromise is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution:

                "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
                • >>>I think we call ourselves African-Americans in an effort to validate our right to be equal members of this country. Until the late 60's black, negro, and colored indicated 3/5's of a human being. Even though "blacks" lived in america, they were not citizens.<<<

                  If you mean the 1860s; when you said that the slave compromise indicated that our people were 3/5 of a human being you are correct. However we became vested as full citizens and the 3/5 compromise was repealed with the ratification of the 14th amendment. Please check this for yourself, so you can feel certain that you and your ancestors have been citizens for more than a century. Citizens who were treated unfairly but citizens none the less.
              • It's funny that you see it that way. I see it as me celebrating all of me. I think it's the negative history of the word and people of Africa that makes it such a problem. For many black people calling them African is like cursing at them. When white people hear the word African they become alert. When say Africa to many people they see crying babies with swollen bellies, bone thin women, dirty water, flies,dirt and aids every where.

                That is not what I see. Africa American is being proud of all my history the one here and the one in Africa. Bad and good. Simple and great! yes we had a history before coming here and our job is to learn more about our history in Africa and that's what I'm in the process of doing. If it means studying more that one nations history or what history can be found on it the that's what should be done.

                Also we call Native Americans, Natives to America, we don't call them by the name of their nations. We don't call them such and such American we just group them into Native American. The know that they are native to the land but not all of them know what nation they come from either. So African American's are not alone.
          • I don't refer to myself as an African American, nor do I think of myself as one. I perceive myself to be a Black Man. I consider my nationality to be American. I have 4 generations of my relatives buried in national cemeteries. I would have 3 more generations buried in them, if the climate of those times had allowed Americans of the darker hues to be buried in them. I feel that my family has paid the price in blood and sacrifice to be Americans. Therefore I feel that I have as much a right to all the things that are connected to being an American both good and ill.

            My ancestry is African and also European. I am descended from both slaves and slave masters. I reject neither aspect of my lineage. I do realize that the cumpulsive coercive nature of the relations between my Black female ancestors and their owners who were White constituted rape. But like any other product of rape, genetically I am an admixture of both sets of genes. Of course when viewed from a purely genetics point of view; we have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, etc. Each preceding generation doubles the number of ancestors we all have. If you go far enough back into time the number of ancestors for a particular generation will be in excess to the world population of that period; demonstrating that there was inbreeding as well. Yet to deny any of our ancestors supposes that we are such enlightened and superior beings that we are fit to judge. Like the master said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I certainly don't fit that bill.

            So in conversations of identity, I generally state that I am an American of mixed heritage, whose predominate features are superficially dictated by my Diasporic African Ancestry. But most importantly I am an American. I feel that this is true for most of us as well.
  • Personally being a Candian born woman of Jamacian, African and Celtic descent who has been living in America for the past 10 years, I prefer the term Black as it is more universal. My Mother's point of view having been a civil rights activist and living in the states during the 1950's and 60's was that there was a very beautiful and empowering movement at that time ... the "Black is Beautiful" movement ... then we we're getting to powerful and organized and so they introduced drugs and this label of "African American" into the society and ... hey 40 years later 1 in 9 "African American" men between 20 and 24 find themselves incarcerated!

    I'd like to see us go back to the Black is Beautiful movement ... it's more loving and uplifting and unifying to me!
  • negro, black, and colored are brands. when one agrees to this they agree to "forced servitude" as described by the 14th ammendment. any thing after the 13th is the CORPoration known as the UNITED STATES. black and negro are identical as negro comes from the latin necro meaning a CORPse. colored means one is under "color of LAW" or the jurisdiction of the CORPoration and are NOT protected by the constitution. African American is not a nationality because it is not describing ones jus soli or jus sanguinis. the reason that we are 3/5's of a human being is because 2 out of the 5 things that makes on whole are missing. one of them being your nationality. study well there is nothing beyond your grasps
    islam
    from the "seer of seers"
  • Greetings my people! I prefer be called Afro American and my answer is based off me being more of a logical person than emotional(not necessarily calling anyone emotional). They say that "all mankind originated from kemet "and there are white africans, why are only blacks called African American. Cubans are not called African Cubans, Brazilains are not called African Brazilians and why??!! I also prefer be called Afro American mostly because if im capable of having an afro, im an afro american and that now can be applied to all people of true kemetic descent, now you can be called and Afro cuban or Afro brazilian. Besides a lot of black americans are of indian descent..are they considered African Americans? I find that name quite cute cause a sister do wear a nice lil fro on occasions.:)

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